Review of MoneyGuidePro Financial Plan Software.

MoneyGuidePro Financial Planning Software Review, Evaluation, and Comparisons

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MoneyGuidePro Review, Evaluation, and Comparison

Generic Description: Integrated and comprehensive financial planning software.

Market: RIAs and mostly BD Reps.

Review Date: June '14.

Other Names or Sites They Go By: PIEtech.

What Module on Tools For Money it Competes With, and is the Best to Compare To: Integrated Financial Planner.

Platform: Code-driven in the clouds, but they don't say what language. Not ISO / IEC 27001:2005 cloud security certified.

Read why you should not be working in the clouds when it comes to financial planning software.

Read why Excel-based financial plan software is superior to code-driven software.

Price: $1,300 to over $2,000 if you tack on all of their bells and whistles.

For $1,000 you can buy everything on this site, which provides much more value than just financial planning software.

Annual Update Prices: 100%, so you pay full price every year.

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Finra Reviewed: No, because it has a Monte Carlo simulator.

Monte Carlo Simulator: Yes.

Buying Caveats: None found (other than it being cloud-based, and this text from their reports: "MoneyGuidePro results may vary with each use and over time.").

Printing: Typical code-based platform where you click print, and it spits out pre-programmed reports in PDF format that cannot be altered by the user (unless you have a PDF editor).

With all Tools For Money software, you have total control over all printing.

Delivery Methods: 100% cloud-based, so all that's delivered are passwords.

With all Tools For Money software, programs are e-mailed after ordering (after that, you'll never have to go online or need an Internet connection for anything).

Number of Computers the Program Will Run On: Only one advisor and one assistant can use it, unless you buy their multiple-user deal for much more money.

With all Tools For Money software, you can also use anything for anything on an unlimited numbers of computers.

Integration and/or Online Downloading: The best integration with other programs and ability to download custodian investment data.

MoneyGuidePro Comparison Conclusions, Comments, Opinions, and Observations

This is currently being refreshed. Read the old 2012 review.

It looks like they're still using 2013 tax data. All of their beef was downloaded from their site in May 2014, and everything still says 2013.

New feature: Retirement Cash Reserve. This is cool, but it's also something you've easily been able to do with the IFP since inception, and you have total control over this bucket strategy.

The Aspirational Bucket is also a feature that the IFP has had, with full control (mostly via choosing payout ages and methods).

The rates of return you can input for these buckets are limited. With the IFP, you can set any of them to be whatever you want in every year.

Here's an example of what to look for when deciding if you want real cash flow-based software, or fake goals-based software. This is from one of their PDFs - and just says the budget and cash flow part of the plan has nothing to do with anything else (so all numbers after year one are "fake"): "Although the Budget module doesn�t integrate with the Financial Goal Plan, the total from the Retirement Goal Budget is referenced within the Retirement Living Expense Goal in the Financial Goal Plan."

Translated: Annual cash flow surpluses and deficits, including replacement costs are all ignored. So all it's really doing is calculating a future value (what they call a goal), and then calculating how much money is needed to be applied toward that goal as a monthly or annual payment (basic TVM calculations). Then the financial plan shows all goals being funded. This is so even if clients are already running huge annual budget deficits to pay their living expenses - so huge that they have no chance of doing both at the same time. This is why it's fake - it has nothing to do with reality whatsoever.

In technical terms, their snapshots and projections are not linked in any way - they're two separate entities - totally disconnected from each other. With actual financial plan software, current snapshots are linked to the future projections via annual cash flow surpluses and deficits (which include replacement costs).

The following mumbo jumbo from one of their PDFs is all total BS just to get you to capitulate and accept the usage of their "fake" financial plan software: "Since 1999, MoneyGuidePro (MGP) has strived to change advisors� expectations of financial planning software. We constantly seek to improve on it our philosophy, which incorporates a hybrid of goal-based planning with cash flow after retirement. We believe the industry�s assumption software is either goal-based OR cash flow-based is a confusing and misleading way to view financial planning software. All financial planning software has goals. The software may not refer to them as goals (expenses or outlays are more common terms), but there are always fields for entering amounts of money clients will spend. In addition, all software produces results including some level of annual cash flow. The real difference is in the level of detail in assumptions and the granularity of the results. By convention, financial planning software incorporating the most detail has been referred to as �cash flow� software. For many years, most advisors assumed �cash flow� software was more sophisticated and more accurate than goal-based software. Before MoneyGuidePro, that might have been true. For the past ten years, we�ve been showing advisors that including more detailed inputs and assumptions does not produce better plans. More and more advisors have embraced our planning philosophy. ... Next, let�s consider rates of return. In retirement, over a period of 30 to 40 years, small changes in rates of return can have a huge impact on a client�s plan. The best we can do is to construct a portfolio and make some estimates about how it will perform. If we predict an annual return of 8%, and the clients receive an overall return close to 8%, we�re doing great. Instead, advisors often input every stock, every mutual fund, and every bond, and predict the return for each of these securities over 30 years including growth rates, dividend yields, tax treatment, tax rates, and other complex calculations. That�s a different level of detail. It actually makes the end result of the plan LESS meaningful because we�ve created even more assumptions, which will most likely prove to be inaccurate. MoneyGuidePro focuses on the most significant factors. Since no one can guarantee the accuracy of any assumption, we limit the assumptions to those most reasonable to predict. With returns, for example, we believe is the long-term return on a portfolio, rebalanced annually is much more meaningful than trying to predict the performance of individual holdings. Focusing on clients� savings and its relation to their current lifestyle is more reasonable than trying to predict their actual income and expenses for the next 30 years. Many people cannot budget for a year, or manage their life to a budget. It�s better to focus on what they save. Look at client�s income this year, and see what they�re saving and/or contributing to a 401(k) or IRA. Then, if the clients aren�t saving enough or don�t know how they�re spending their money, they may need to create a budget. The difference, in MGP, is you didn�t start with the budget. In the words of one of our consultants, Harold Evensky, CFP�, �full cash flow accounting prior to retirement is actually �budgeting,� and not everyone needs budgeting. For those clients who do need budgeting, it�s often not the place to begin the conversation. ... Pre-retirement, only expenses paid from assets in the clients� portfolio should be included as goals. Expenses, such as new cars and vacations, funded from the clients� current income, don�t need to be input. ... Some advisors assume higher net worth clients need detailed cash flow, and those with lower net worth (i.e., the middle market) need a simpler approach. We believe the detailed cash flow approach to long-term planning is invalid for either group. ... The need for budgeting is not correlated with net worth; it�s correlated with big expenses (or projected expenses) relative to income, and not enough savings."

All of the above is just a long string of incorrect bold-faced lies. Read the long-winded whiny text about all of this on the MPG 2012 review page.

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Financial Planner Features and Functions IFP: $500 MoneyGuidePro: $1,300 to over $2,000
Annual Update Prices $250 100% of what you initially paid
Lifetime Subscriptions Available Yes No
Do You Have to Buy it for a Whole Year? No, you can pay a whole $2 to use it for one day Yes, you have to pay their whole annual cost to use it, even if you only need it for a week
Are You Spending Hundreds of Dollars Per Year in Software Licensing Fees to Feed a Small Army of Travelling Software Salespeople to Fly Around the World Schmoozing Advisers into Buying their Software (with lavish fine dining, gifts, freebies, and entertainment)? (If it says, "Yes" to the right, then their budgets for that are in the millions per year. YOU are paying for that, and it provides zero value to you in software features - all it does is add hundreds of dollars to their prices) No Yes
Asset Allocator Module Yes, and comprehensive Barely, very primitive with little control over anything important
Number of Asset Classes their Asset Allocation Software Uses Unlimited 11 (ten plus one miscellaneous, so only one can be changed). It "doesn't do much of anything" so you'll still need to come up with your own investment Strategy and funding options yourself
Deals with Pre-retirement Annual Cash Flow Surpluses and Deficits (the very heart of the financial plan) Yes, with total control over which assets they flow in and out of annually, because it's 100% "cash flow-based" No, it ignores pre-retirement annual cash flow surpluses and deficits! This is because it's "goal-focused"
Integration with Other Financial Software and/or Ability to Download Account Holdings from Online Custodians Yes to both Yes, it has the best integration with other programs
Gets Detailed Annual Expenses, Incomes, and Income Goals at Retirement from other Software (like our Personal Budget & Cash Flow Projector) Yes No, it's not "cash flow-based" so most all critical details are ignored
Built-in Budgeting and Cash Flow Modules Yes, and comprehensive Somewhat, with little-to-no control over anything
Accounts for Budgeting of Replacement Costs Yes, total control No, totally ignored
Built-in College Planner Module Yes, and comprehensive Somewhat, little better than using a free online college calculator
Database of College Costs No, it's best to either look current costs up online, or call the college because of stale data No(?)
Life Insurance Calculator Module Included Yes Yes, a very primitive capital needs calculator that's little better than using a free online life insurance calculator
Ability to Project Life Insurance Needs into the Future Yes No, it only shows current needs
Life Insurance Needs Module: Ability to Account for Replacing ALL Incomes, Set the Number of Years for it to be Replaced, the Percentage of it to be Replaced, then have a Unique Discount Rate Input for All Incomes Individually. Next, Ability to Choose Between Inputting Needs and Available Resources via Manual Input or Automatically (where numbers are internally generated from inside the financial plan) Yes to All No to All
Life Insurance Needs Module: Ability to have the Same Features and Functionality for Calculating the Client's Capital Needs if the Spouse Passes in Every Year Yes No
Ability to Easily Stop Life Insurance Policies (paying for premiums and face values), and/or Change Face Amounts (or premiums) in Any Year Yes No, once you input a life policy, everything runs amok forever, even after retirement
Number of Versions Unlimited, and you can see two at a time You can only see two at a time, then you'd need to make a new version (client)
Ability to Easily Make a Proposed Plan from Current Plan Data Yes No
Ability to See ALL Inputted Data on One Page Yes No
Total Control Over Printing Yes No control at all, unless you want to edit PDFs (you'll need special hard-to-use software to do that)
Ability to Perform Any and All Advanced "What-if" and Scenario Functions Yes No to very limited, Super Solve only lets you have about five scenarios
Built-in Portfolio Optimizer No, but you can calculate the usual portfolio statistics of interest (correlation coefficients, Beta, Alpha, R-squared, Treynor and Sharpe ratios) Yes (but probably doesn't allow you to calculate most statistics)
Monte Carlo Simulator Yes No, only iterates rate of return, then it uses standard deviations, which is "wrong"
Monte Carlo Simulator on the College Planning Modules Yes No
Ability to Designate a Financial Plan as the Current or Proposed Version with One Click Yes, there all the time, no need to click Yes, there all the time, no need to click
Ability to See Both Current or Proposed Versions at the Same Time Yes Yes
Input Spouse's Data Separately Yes Yes
Designate an Asset Account as Belonging to Client or Spouse Yes Yes
Designate an Asset Account as Jointly Owned Yes Yes
Ability to Have Client and Spouse Retire in Different Years Yes Yes
Total Control Over Social Security Between the Two People Separately Yes No
Ability to Change Social Security Income for Each Person Separately, AND in Every Year Yes No
Ability to Control the Social Security Tax Inclusion Rate in Every Year Yes, you can choose between 0%, 50%, or 85% in each year No
Ability to Set the Age Social Security Starts for Both People Separately Yes Yes
Ability to Include Any and All Sources of Annual Miscellaneous Expenses, in Addition to the Generic Annual Income Goal Yes, you can control every dollar in every year Yes, but limited
Ability to Include Any and All Sources of Annual Miscellaneous Incomes Yes Yes, but limited
Ability to Control Withdrawals Using IRS Age 70½ Required Minimum Distributions Yes No (maybe, but couldn't find it, so probably not)
Ability to Control Withdrawals Using IRS 72t Distributions Yes, all three methods No
Investment Account Payout Methods 9 1(maybe more, but couldn't find how to input them)
Ability to Change Asset Payout Methods Midstream Yes No
Ability to Start and Stop Asset Withdrawals at Any Year Yes No
Ability to Start Asset Withdrawals After Retirement Has Begun Yes No
Ability to Start a New Asset at Any Year (even after retirement has started for anyone) Yes No
Ability to Set Asset Account Rate of Returns to be Whatever You Want in Any Year Yes No
Ability to Have Total Control Over How Much Asset Account Contributions are, and When They Start and Stop Annually Yes No, you can input contributions but there's little control over much
Ability to Control the Tax Rate in Every Year Yes No
Ability to Set a Tax Inclusion Rate on Each Asset Separately Yes Somewhat, limited
Presentation Page (report) that Shows Each Non-asset and Asset's Estimated Withdrawal Taxes in Every Year Yes No
Ability to Simulate Roth IRAs and Conversions Yes No
How Many Years the "Window" Is 75 No window at all, then it seems to stop at 40 years
Both Client and Spouse Can Have their Own Separate Income Goals, and they can be Whatever You Want in Every Year Yes No
Ability to See and Print All Miscellaneous Incomes and Expenses in Every Year Yes Somewhat, limited
Displays the Present Value of Additional Capital Needed to Fund the Combined Income Goal Deficits in Every Year Yes No
Displays All Basic and Advanced Pertinent Retirement Planning Information Yes, much more relevant data displays than any other retirement planner Very limited
Calculates and Displays How Much More Money is Needed to Reach the Retirement Goal as Monthly Payments Until Retirement Yes No(?)
Calculates and Displays How Much More Money is Needed to Reach the Retirement Goal as a Current Lump Sum Yes Yes
Calculates and Displays How Much More Money is Needed to Reach the Retirement Goal as a Current Lump Sum in All Years Yes No
Allows You to Set a Unique Rate of Return on How Much More Money is Needed to Reach the Retirement Goal (AKA discount rate) Yes No(?)
List All Assets with Pertinent Data (e.g., asset values, percentage this asset is of the whole, age when it becomes effective, contributions, payout ages, payout methods, rate of return assumed, and amount of income subject to taxes) Yes Somewhat, but limited
Lists All Non-Asset Incomes with Annual Amounts, Ages When They Start, COLA Inflation rates, and if it's Taxable or Not Yes Somewhat, limited
Everything Everywhere Displays Year, Both Ages, and Year Numbers for Quick and Better Understanding Yes No
Number of Asset Accounts Available 16 personal assets and 9 joint assets in each Current and Proposed version (for a total of 50 in each plan) Probably unlimited(?)
Ability to Account for Fixed Assets Like Defined Benefit Pension Plans and Annuitized Annuities Yes Yes
Control Over Pensions Between the Two People Separately Yes Yes
Ability to Set a Survivor's Pension to Pay Out Reduced Benefit After Death Yes, with total control over annual amounts too Yes
Ability to Set an Annual COLA Rate for Fixed Assets Like Defined Benefit Pension Plans and Annuitized Annuities Yes Yes
Ability to Have Pensions and Other Assets Pay a Death Benefit to Cash Flow Yes, with total control over annual amounts too Yes, but there's little-to-no cash flow accounting going on in the first place because it's not "cash flow-based"
Displays the Amount of Annual Deficits When You'll Probably Run Out of Money Yes No
Displays When You'll Probably Run Out of Money (AKA "Gap funding") Yes Yes
Displays Annual Percent of Annual Income Goal Being Met Yes No
Displays Balance of Available Capital in Every Year With Percentage Increase or Decrease from the Previous Year Yes No
Displays the Average Weighted Rate of Return on All Investment Assets Combined in Every Year Yes No, unless you (input and) use a pre-defined model, then limited
Displays the Present Value of Additional Capital Needed at Retirement in Every Year Yes No
Displays the Present Value of Additional Capital Needed at Retirement in the Current Year Yes No
Number of Informative Charts and Graphs You can See While Working Already Set Up Over 800 Only one or two per "screen"
Ability to Make as Many New Charts and Graphs as You Want Yes No
Ability to Change Charts and Graphs Any Way You Like Yes No
Detailed Chart of All Annual Miscellaneous Incomes and Expenses Yes Somewhat, limited
Ability to Control Income Goal Inflation Rates Both Automatically and Also Set Them to be Whatever You Want in Every Year Yes No
Layers of Annual Inflation of Income Goals 5 1
Ability to Set the Ending Year so Numbers will Stop Showing to Reduce Clutter Yes No need as there's usually no window at all showing annual numbers
Displays Each Person's Life Expectancy Age Using IRS Unisex Mortality Tables Yes No, uses an ancient and erroneous mortality table
Ability to Set a Life Expectancy Age Independently of the Calculated IRS Life Expectancy Age Using IRA Unisex Tables Yes Yes (they call it "Planning Age"), but uses an obsolete mortality table
Displays the Difference in Years Between the Inputted Life Expectancy Age and the Calculated IRS Life Expectancy Age Yes No
Displays Both the Number of Years and the Percentage of Retirement Years Where There's Both Sufficient and Insufficient Capital Yes No
Displays the Total Current Value of Assets and Total Current Annual Contributions Yes Somewhat, assets are usually all lumped together into one of their pre-defined models, so you have little-to-no idea what's actually going on with them
Displays All Sources of Income and Tells Where They're Coming from in Every Year Yes Somewhat
Ability to Set the Number of Trailing Zeros on Presentation Pages (so it won't show values down to the dollar if you don't want to see that much detail) Yes No
Input Validation and Detailed Error Messages to Tell You what You Did Wrong and How to Fix it Yes Yes(?)
Accounts for Any and All Types of Investment Assets, Including Rental Real Estate Yes Somewhat, limited
Displays Detailed About How Much Retirement Income is Being Withdrawn from Each Asset Individually Yes No
Has "Flexible Assets" that Pay Out Retirement Income Like Life Does in the Real World (AKA "as needed") Yes Yes, that's its main payout method, so little control over much if you want to model anything else
Allows Inputting of Investment Assets Using the "Bucket Approach" (used by asset allocators and retirement planners that want to model scenarios like depleting non-qualified assets before tapping into qualified assets) Yes No
Ability to Calculate Detailed Needs for Both Disability and Long Term Care Insurance Yes No, very little calculations done because it's not cash flow-based
Asset Account Draw-Down Analysis Tools Very Limited Comprehensive
Deals with Technical Details of 401(k)'s - like Catch-Up and Matches Yes, you can integrate the IFP with the Most Functional 401(k) calculator No
Ability to Turn Assets Providing Retirement Incomes On and Off Individually Yes No
Displays How Much in Investment Assets are Needed to Fund Annual Income Goals After All Sources of Non-asset Incomes are Accounted For Yes No
Displays Different Colors to Designate Between Client, Spouse, Both, and Data that Does Change With Input, and Not Yes No
Comes With a Detailed Fact Finders for Gathering Data From Clients Yes, comprehensive Yes, but not great
Comes With a Free Effective / Average Tax Bracket Calculator to Help Determine Inputted Tax Rates Yes No
Displays All Years of Information Automatically Yes No, little-to-no window at all
Complete User's Manual with Detailed Directions on How to Do Everything Yes, including a list of Real World options if you run out of money too early, and much more valuable retirement planning information) No, very limited help screens are only available when you're at the section of the program. They put all of these resources into having a computerized voice read you the same too-limited text
Phone and/or E-mail Support Yes, but for more money, but it's rarely needed because there's little-to-no bugs and the directions are more than sufficient - few people e-mail or call for support anymore these days Yes, included
Platform Excel Based (making it extremely stable, inexpensive because uber-expensive code programmers don't need to be employed, bug free, will always work on any computer (Mac or PC) with Excel, any and all operating systems, and rarely needs of any kind of updating) 100% cloud-based
Transparency Total, all data flows logically from left to right as if you were reading, then you can use Excel or a hand calculator to verify all numbers so you easily can trace EVERYTHING back to your input. No secrets, no surprises, no mysteries, just awesome data None
Ability to Save Individual Client Files as a Unique File Name (so you can back them up onto your physical computer, so you can access old client input data even years after you let the software expire) Yes, it's just a spreadsheet, so you have total control over saving client files. Not only that, you'll always have your client input data even when programs expire. Then you can just copy and paste it into the new version if you Update, or use it to input into other programs Yes, but they stay in the dangerous cloud, so you can't back them up on your computer
Tax Software Included (software that will calculate taxes due, like TurboTax, or in reality, just estimate the current year's taxes due) No Not really, it doesn't even look like they tried to perform this futile task
Cost Benefit Ratio Feature Yes, unique to the IFP No
Number of Computers One "Copy" Will Run On Unlimited, just spreadsheets you can use on any computer with Excel 2007 or later installed Two at a time unless you pay more for the multiple user license
Modular Too Yes, not only can you just input minimum data to run a simple modular report (e.g., college, life insurance needs, or net worth), but if you buy the IFP and then want just the stand-alone module, then you'll probably just get it for free by asking. For example, all fields with an asterisk need to be input into a NaviPlan before it will work. You could have completed a simple modular plan in the time it takes to do that No, it's just one big program, so you'll need to buy and input more than what's Needed if you want to run a quick simple modular report
Ability to "Go Back in Time" (to input a plan, to see how things worked out in the current or a past year) No Yes
Accuracy of Numbers Extreme, the best you can get anywhere Very bad, not even "cash flow-based" so it doesn't account for pre-retirement surpluses or Deficits or replacements, nor does it calculate projected net worth
Dangerous Installation Procedure that May Wipe Out Windows (DLL) Files if They Screw Up (making a reload of Windows needed, which is more work than having to buy a whole new computer. Yes this kind of thing happens all the time with code - e.g., ExecPlan's free demo in '08) No No, cloud-based

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